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Post by Sniper on Dec 31, 2003 2:40:21 GMT
No one gives a damn about anything... the planet is dying, the moral is dying... people degradate... animals die, gaddamn greenhouse effect, forests disappear, pullotion everywhere, propaganda, adverstiments, other crap...
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Post by Marquis on Dec 31, 2003 5:35:49 GMT
I do agree with you that there are problems in the world today, but having negative mindset toward these problems I think will only hinder the process of trying to get rid of those problems. I think everything has to do with confusion of the source of the problem. People believe the source of the problem to be corporations, weapons, and etc...but I think it has more to do with ourselves. Of course, these factors play into the problems in the world today, but what do corporations represent...what do these ceos or board memebers driven by...envy and will to overpower others, and greed..human emotions. I cannot say this about every ceo or politicians, but these negative emotions are fed to us by what society depicts as happiness and lack of morals in our modern society as you said, but we can condition our mind so that we can overcome these emotions, and help contribute to making the better world for everyone. If we're at war within ourselves, it will reflect in our relationship with our family, friends, and society. We are society, and we are earth, if we change inside, outside will change also. So I think the important thing is to change ourselves first, I do not like to use the word change instead return to ourselves. I think you'll like this quote, "you must be the change you wish to see in the World." - ghandi.
Obtaint he peace within, obtain the peace outside, there is no difference, and be a bringer of peace to all. I pray everynight for Peace, serenity and harmony to all living beings. And I try to reflect it in my everyday life, cause you can make a difference, it only takes one candle to light thousands, or millions of other candles...so be the light. And we need all the light in these dark times, for light is not needed where its full of it, but rather where theres a lack of it.
peace and much love to you all.
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Post by Marquis on Dec 31, 2003 6:01:33 GMT
What I mean to suggest as a solution is compassion, compassion arises from understanding, putting yourself in others shoes. Realizing that we are all children, and siblings, and parents. We are all one, and I do not mean this in philosophical or scientifical way, but rather in recognizing that most of us are lost, we are, whether be in entrapment of negative emotions, or chasing after false or impermaneant ideals...we are all trapped in a cycle of life. But to hate someone for being lost...I mean can you blame a baby for not knwoinghow to talk? No you teach it to him/her, you teach compassion to others,and they will teach it also. Positive mindset is like a desease and I love being contagious. Does this mean, compassion is the only solution?...Yes, and no because once a person becomes more compassionate toward another, there needs to be an action. If you chnage inside it will reflec tont he outside, and if it doesn't, then that is not a true change. And we need to fix the problems also, by recgnizing the problems such as polution and poverty,a nd tryign to fix it. Buddha said, simply praying to be moved from one harbor to another is foolish, for one to move from one harbor to next, he has to either swim or ride a boat to get across, he cannot just sit and pray and expect that it is done. Whether you're a buddhist or not, you cannot denythat that's some deep shit.  jk lol hey I'm entitled to jokes...afterall, humor is part of what makes life so...fun.  peace |
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Post by Angel One on Dec 31, 2003 14:06:25 GMT
Good topic  I think todays world is too materialistic. They care too much about their wants than about the bigger planetary picture. This planet is dying. It cant support such a wasteful, damaging race of people anymore. But to help the planet, you would lose profit right? It would mean less development, buying goods that are better for the environment but are more expensive, and added inconvenience with car pooling and walking short distances. People dont want the day to day hassle, they assume one person wont do much, and just leave it up to someone else. Trouble is, when everyone has that attitude, nothing changes. There are people out there willing to work, and there is change being made, but is it fast enough?  |
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Post by Sniper on Dec 31, 2003 18:02:14 GMT
What I mean to suggest as a solution is compassion, compassion arises from understanding, putting yourself in others shoes. Realizing that we are all children, and siblings, and parents. We are all one, and I do not mean this in philosophical or scientifical way, but rather in recognizing that most of us are lost, we are, whether be in entrapment of negative emotions, or chasing after false or impermaneant ideals...we are all trapped in a cycle of life. But to hate someone for being lost...I mean can you blame a baby for not knwoinghow to talk? No you teach it to him/her, you teach compassion to others,and they will teach it also. Positive mindset is like a desease and I love being contagious. Does this mean, compassion is the only solution?...Yes, and no because once a person becomes more compassionate toward another, there needs to be an action. If you chnage inside it will reflec tont he outside, and if it doesn't, then that is not a true change. And we need to fix the problems also, by recgnizing the problems such as polution and poverty,a nd tryign to fix it. Buddha said, simply praying to be moved from one harbor to another is foolish, for one to move from one harbor to next, he has to either swim or ride a boat to get across, he cannot just sit and pray and expect that it is done. Whether you're a buddhist or not, you cannot denythat that's some deep shit. jk lol hey I'm entitled to jokes...afterall, humor is part of what makes life so...fun. peace Hmm... I can see that you are a buddhist, first I thought you were a hippy... because you end your posts with "peace"... it is a positiv ending... Back on topic: as a buddhist you know that one can learn, but can't teach, you can take a horse to the water, but you won't make the horse drink it... Gautama wasn't taught, he learned himself... Don't you think "teach them" would mean "change them", interfer into their point of view, against the freedom of choice? |
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Post by Marquis on Dec 31, 2003 19:23:03 GMT
yea of course, youc an;t change or teach them, and I don't want to sound condescending, I'm just saying if we want to change the world, we should start within ourselves, and because everything we do has an affect on others whether we want to or not, and why not let that affect be positive? Yes, the self realization or path to enlightenemnt can only be done by ourselves. It's like a old zen story, where a finger is pointing to the moon, moon in this case would be enlightenmnet, as long as you don't dwell on the finger, it isn't a bad thing. However if you dwell on the finger and not the moon itself, it becomes a distraction to reching an enlightenment so to speak. However enlightenemnt and helping to change the world positively are...well same thing, but in this case, it'd be better to try to change others, by changing yourself. We can change the world.
peace
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Post by Marquis on Dec 31, 2003 19:25:28 GMT
guatamata was taught by many different sages, and he saw truth and error int heir ways. He was taught be the wavering trees, and singing birds. He wasn't really taught, he just learned that to reach an enlightenemnt, we must get rid of somethign that we never had. The architect of our own existance. own, mine, your, our...these.
peace
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Silver Incubus
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Post by Silver Incubus on Jan 2, 2004 13:38:29 GMT
Maquis, we both seem to be along similar wavelengths at this moment in our lives. I do agree that you must be the change you want to see in the world. I also think that it is our job to help people find the path, for themselves, but show them or help them change thier ways so that they can find the path. I try all the time to help people stop being materialistic, and selfish but it is ultimately up to them to take the advice and go with it. Almost like being a parent, and trying to guide your child to right choices that would benefit them, but as we all probably know that you can only try, and its is ultimately there choice to see their path or not.
If you live in America you are exposed to Fear and Consumption. If none of you have seen Bowling for Columbine then i suggest you do, it is a really good look on American society and the way that everything in it works. What I mean by fear and consumption is that when people are watching things like the news, they are being fed with fear and then the commersials come on and sell things to you. That is how the american Empire works.
Oh and if you are american, and you think you live in a demorcracy, think again. More like a socialist olgyachy controlled by corporations and fronted like democracy. I mean seriously thing of the term Emperor Bush. He wasn't legally elected, didn't have senate permission to go to war, and pretty much does what he wants.
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Post by Angel One on Jan 2, 2004 14:19:05 GMT
Good points silver... I am getting really worried about current event to be honest, it seems every country is almost *built* on corruption... Its really getting to me, I mean... Who can you trust? Who can change thigns for the better? All the power is in the hands of a minority of people... |
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Post by Sniper on Jan 3, 2004 23:31:47 GMT
Justice is dead, unless it lives in us... I don't believe i justice, politicians live to lie and lie to live, they suck.
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Post by Marquis on Jan 4, 2004 5:32:51 GMT
I'm really glad silver that we are on the same vibe at this time, and i do feel the same way about feeling like a parent sometimes...although I'm too much of a joker many times lol. I am reading this book these days, living buddha living christ, I recommend it to everyone,. the book helped me to realize that the energy of meditation is mindfullness, and i feel that through meditating that practicing mindfullness I feel freedom from negative feelings that arise from self, as well of materialism. be mindfull of the moment, thoughts are like waves, let the thoughts settle, and there will be peace again. And someone whos peaceful insides will reflect ont he outside, because inside is outside, we are beings.
peace
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Post by Sniper on Jan 4, 2004 22:36:36 GMT
We are born kind, life makes us wicked... or am I just talking for myself?..
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Is everything as great as people make it seem?
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Post by kt on Jan 5, 2004 0:01:47 GMT
these days people worry too much about the look that they precive....they way people classify them. i think that people should just stop worring about the way they look and look at what they are doing to the enviornment by trying to keep this "golden image"
and i do agree that you are born kind....and i think that todays society is a major factor to why people are the way they are... if we wern't forced to beleive or "brain washed" into thinking that you have to be or look superior the earth wouldn't be the way it is today.
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Post by Angel One on Jan 5, 2004 13:16:50 GMT
Good point, id be inclined to agree Its not just superiority that people are brainwashed with though, its their whole attitude, their whole outlook. Its completly manufactured...  People will act in different ways and even believe in different things depending on what everyone else does, or what the latest fashion is. Take someone for example who doenst believe in ghosts. Put them into a room with 20 people who DO believe in ghosts, and I would bet money that within an hour they would at least "*say* they believe. People today follow to much, and lead too little. IMO anyway |
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Post by Marquis on Jan 6, 2004 3:28:52 GMT
Very true, through expereinces we can learn and grow. I'm sure we all have been throguh it before tryign to fit into image that we want to show ourselves to otehrs as and etc, and because we have been through it or is going through it, we know that looks or financial status cannot truly classify a person. It's an old saying, but some truths are timeless..."it is inside that counts."
peace
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jk lol hey I'm entitled to jokes...afterall, humor is part of what makes life so...fun. 
I think todays world is too materialistic. They care too much about their wants than about the bigger planetary picture.
