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Post by Angel One on Jan 2, 2004 8:26:13 GMT
Im just wondering what your thoughts on vengeance are? Is it acceptable? If someone wrongs you unfairly, are you allowed to exact your revenge?
Or should you simply wait for karma to take its toll?
Im divided on this issue, on the one hand I think if someone wrongs you, you have a right to exact a degree of revenge, but on the other hand, that may just lead to more violence...
What do you guys think?
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Post by Marquis on Jan 2, 2004 12:06:23 GMT
well buddha said if someone do you good, give him back tenfold, so it applies in both ways. If someone does some shit to piss you off, kill that son of a bitch is basically what buddha was saying.
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Post by Marquis on Jan 2, 2004 12:06:44 GMT
oh yea peace...and love..lets not forget love. ;D
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Post by Vaisnava on Jan 2, 2004 12:59:53 GMT
Im just wondering what your thoughts on vengeance are? Is it acceptable? If someone wrongs you unfairly, are you allowed to exact your revenge? Or should you simply wait for karma to take its toll? Im divided on this issue, on the one hand I think if someone wrongs you, you have a right to exact a degree of revenge, but on the other hand, that may just lead to more violence... What do you guys think? Ideally, one should be indifferent to both good and bad circumstances. One should treat friends and enemies alike. |
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Post by Silver Incubus on Jan 2, 2004 13:10:26 GMT
I don't know. I don't think it is possible for someone to wrong you. In my own view, I believe anyone who does anything that would hurt you is just ignorant and really can't be held accountable.  |
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Post by Angel One on Jan 2, 2004 14:39:47 GMT
Well ignorance is no defence really is it? I suppose in certain situations you might want to just leave them alone, and get on with your life, but if they have really wronged you, and knowingly wronged you, can you exact revenge?
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Post by Sniper on Jan 3, 2004 22:45:47 GMT
If you do bad thing you can receive a dagger in the back and that will be quite fair as scum don't deserve respect... yes, I am for vengeance... I am vengeful...
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Post by Angel One on Jan 4, 2004 1:22:55 GMT
A very powerful opinion sniper  But yeah, a valid point... I think people need to earn respect... Im not saying they should have to fight for it, merely saying hello to you on the street, or greeting you when you come in the door should earn them some respect. On this forum for example I think everyone is deserving of respect, because we are all wise and friendly folks here. But I dont think robbing you or shooting you or whatever earns respect, therefore I dont think they deserve it. I think they are entitle to basic human rights of course, and a fair trial, but I think respect is earned, not automaticall assumed. |
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Post by Izkata on Jan 4, 2004 19:23:53 GMT
but I think respect is earned, not automaticall assumed. ....And the only place I've *ever* seen that stance in is the high school I'm in, absolutely no where else.  It actually got demonstrated to me in English class once when I got mad and wouldn't do anything the teacher said.  |
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Post by Angel One on Jan 4, 2004 21:38:28 GMT
Well good for you Iz Tell us more about this stance your school has? Seems interesting... |
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Post by Izkata on Jan 5, 2004 11:56:09 GMT
Erm, alright, but maybe those weren't quite the right smilies anyway lol
Ummm.... I'll have to check the little school handbook thingy we get each year, there's a whole section on it, but I can't do that right now, since I break is over as of this morning and I have to go to school on about a half hour..
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Post by Silver Incubus on Jan 7, 2004 7:08:11 GMT
Think of it this way Vir. If someone from another culture, completely ignorant to your social orders and proceedings wrong you in any way, can they be really held accountable for not knowing? Take it a step futher, what if an alien race came to earth and started killing and eating us because that is what they do. Can you take vengence on them, it is what they do to live. Possibly because they have to eat our brains which are more develop or something that is specifically human. I mean you can't take vengence on that. Or even the classic case of Moby Dick, The Cap'n hunts the whale for revenge, but can you really take revenge on something that was defending itself, or on nature for that reason?
But the best example would be a child. Could you seriously take you anger out on a child and feel good about yourself?
That is my whole point. They know not what they do, because if they did, they wouldn't do it. If they could feel you pain they wouldn't, If they could feel the energy they wouldn't, but they don't, so they can't.
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Post by Angel One on Jan 7, 2004 14:18:50 GMT
Good points silver, and I accept that sometimes ignorance can be a defence. But what if they knew the pain they would cause, and caused it intentionally?
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Post by Silver Incubus on Jan 7, 2004 17:21:02 GMT
There is conditioning for good and bad, but when you know good, you don't do the bad. That is my point. They may have the conditioning to do good things but still do bad things because ultimately they do not understand what they do.
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Post by Vaisnava on Jan 7, 2004 18:51:04 GMT
Let's see...
If an alien race came to earth and started killing us and eating our brains, it wouldn't be vengeance when we kill them, it would be survival.
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But yeah, a valid point... I think people need to earn respect... 
It actually got demonstrated to me in English class once when I got mad and wouldn't do anything the teacher said. 