Post by Angel One on Nov 30, 2003 0:54:28 GMT
Marquis gave me a link tonight to a fundie board, and I thought, what the hell, lets go for it. ;D So, this is my post. Its a bit tough, maybe even a little insulting in parts, but I think I get my point accross in a rational, logical manner.
Greetings.
I am Sepultra.
First, an introduction.
I am not Xtian. I used to be, a long time ago. I even made my confirmation. Not because I chose to, but because I was coerced into it. It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I only hope that my subsequent renouncing of this web of lies and half-truths which controls your very soul has, in part, redeemed me.
I was wiccan for a while, I enjoyed the feel if witchcraft. It feelt part of me. I enjoyed working with energy, casting spells, and I felt... free. I didnt *have* to belief in a deity. I chose to. If I decided to stop believing, I wouldnt burn in hell. I wouldnt be condemed by my gods, and punished. Sure, the more I practised, the more adept I became, but if I suddenly stopped, that was my business.
Christianity is a cult. A religion is something you believe, an ideology, but above all else it is a conscious *choice* to follow that ideology. This is the one fundamental flaw with this *religion* (Only reason im calling it that is so the admins here dont find my post offensive and delete it, althought I have a feeling thats what going happen anyway.)
There is no choice. Let me tell you some more of my story.
I was forced to attend your... masses, from a very early age.
Imagine me, an impressionable child, just forming my opinions and beliefs about the world, sitting there week after week, being told about devils, and demons, and "accepting Jesus" and "following god".
I walked into that church every week and I was told what? That I tried my best, that I tried to be a good person? No. I was told I had sinned. A four year old. Sinned? There I was, four years old, on my KNEES, apologising for my SIN?? This is barbaric.
Thats how it starts. Obedience. FOLLOW god. In witchcraft you work WITH the deity, they are more a companion, a guide. In Christianity, god is your master, your ruler, your overlord. You worship him, or he punishes you.
Some nights I couldnt sleep because I was afraid. Afraid of what you may ask? Of monsters under the bed, skeletons in the closet? no.
I was deathly afraid of going to hell. Every night id pray to god, and id beg him not to go to send me or my family to hell. I was four years old, and every night when I went to sleep, I thought I would never see my family again. I thought demons would come to get me, or god would smite me, or id somehow anger him, and Id end up burning in hell.
You know that game... maybe you dont know it... Where if you dial 666 you get the devil? And everyone would dial it for fun? I didnt. Why? Because I thought the devil would kill me that why.
Some of you have children im sure. Do you Really want them terrified of going to hell?
I know your going to tell me god is all loving and caring... But think of it....
If you go against his orders, what will he do? Say tomorrow, your son comes up to you and he says, dad, or mum, I think I might be gay... What do you do? Take him out the back and stone him to death? Tell him hes an abomination? No. You help him find his place in the world. And then when youve done that, according to your religion, you will both burn in hell.
What happens when your daughter starts having sex? You cant give her artificial contraception, god would punish you for that. What happens if she gets pregnant at 15, or 16? Her whole life is ruined, because your religion forbade you from helping your daughter.
Religion is fine for *believing* If you want a spiritual dimension to your lives. But dont let it control your lives. It doesnt work in real life.
Lets take another example... ok. Your walking home from work. You have your bible, your wearing a crucifix, youve gone to mass every day for your entire life. You have devoted your life to god. Some madman high on meth jumps out from a dark alley and points a gun at you. He give you time to "say your prayers" as the cliche goes.
What do you think will happen? You say a Hail mary, or an our father, and Jesus and his legions of angels come down from heaven and save you? lighting bolts shoot from the sky, killing your attacker, and leaving you miraculously unhurt? God appears in front of you, and drags the soul of the evil-doer down to the deepest pit of hell?
No. He fires. You die. REALITY people.
Jesus cant save you. God cant save you. Only YOU can save yourself.
Who do you think has a better chance in that situation? A guy whose devoted his life to god, or a realist, someone who works out, someone who knows martial arts, maybe has a permit for a gun, or is wearing a kevlar vest?
Hey I might be biased here, but when the chips are down, if im getting shot, ill take a bullet proof vest over a bible ANY day of the week.
I hear theyre taking Christianity out of the school now. This please me. Greatly.
Children are being brainwashed by this... poison...
I think it should be banned from schools, I dont think children should be allowed into churches, I dont think christianity should be practiced in the home. You wouldnt want children joining the klu klux clan when theyre five years old, so why force other beliefs on them? (The KKK being, of course, christian, serving their god by murdering innocent coloured people) I wouldnt want my child being turned into a mindles automaton, spouting bible verses at me evertime I turn a corner.
When they turn 18, if they decide they want to be Christian, fine. Let them. If they research other religions, if they know what the world has to offer, and if they choose christianity, great, good for them. But I will not stand idly by and let innocent children join a religion out of fear, and stay part of it out of apathy.
Christianity isnt the only offender here, I oppose all control systems, anything that tells you, especially children, how to believe. If your an adult, you can believe what you want, its no business of mine, but to force a child to follow YOUR beliefs, because YOU think they are the "only way to eternal life" is barbaric and sick, and should be a crime.
If I had a child, and I forced him to believe a potatoe was a god, and I wrote him a book full of rules, telling him how to follow the potatoes wishes, id be arrested for negligence. And RIGHTLY so. Childrens minds are not your playground. Nor are they a blank page, waiting for you to write on.
If I live long enough to see these changes, I will die a happy man indeed. And you wanna know something else? I wont go to hell.
I realise I will most likely be banned for this, and have my post deleted, but at least a few of you will get to read it. I guess most of you are too set in your ways to change, and certainly nothing I say will change your views. Ill leave, youll "pray for my soul" and hope that I "find the lord" and then youll live your lives in your self-imposed cages of dogma. And I pity you. Because you will never see the truth, you will never see the world, unless you open your eyes.
I am Sepultra.
First, an introduction.
I am not Xtian. I used to be, a long time ago. I even made my confirmation. Not because I chose to, but because I was coerced into it. It was one of the biggest mistakes of my life. I only hope that my subsequent renouncing of this web of lies and half-truths which controls your very soul has, in part, redeemed me.
I was wiccan for a while, I enjoyed the feel if witchcraft. It feelt part of me. I enjoyed working with energy, casting spells, and I felt... free. I didnt *have* to belief in a deity. I chose to. If I decided to stop believing, I wouldnt burn in hell. I wouldnt be condemed by my gods, and punished. Sure, the more I practised, the more adept I became, but if I suddenly stopped, that was my business.
Christianity is a cult. A religion is something you believe, an ideology, but above all else it is a conscious *choice* to follow that ideology. This is the one fundamental flaw with this *religion* (Only reason im calling it that is so the admins here dont find my post offensive and delete it, althought I have a feeling thats what going happen anyway.)
There is no choice. Let me tell you some more of my story.
I was forced to attend your... masses, from a very early age.
Imagine me, an impressionable child, just forming my opinions and beliefs about the world, sitting there week after week, being told about devils, and demons, and "accepting Jesus" and "following god".
I walked into that church every week and I was told what? That I tried my best, that I tried to be a good person? No. I was told I had sinned. A four year old. Sinned? There I was, four years old, on my KNEES, apologising for my SIN?? This is barbaric.
Thats how it starts. Obedience. FOLLOW god. In witchcraft you work WITH the deity, they are more a companion, a guide. In Christianity, god is your master, your ruler, your overlord. You worship him, or he punishes you.
Some nights I couldnt sleep because I was afraid. Afraid of what you may ask? Of monsters under the bed, skeletons in the closet? no.
I was deathly afraid of going to hell. Every night id pray to god, and id beg him not to go to send me or my family to hell. I was four years old, and every night when I went to sleep, I thought I would never see my family again. I thought demons would come to get me, or god would smite me, or id somehow anger him, and Id end up burning in hell.
You know that game... maybe you dont know it... Where if you dial 666 you get the devil? And everyone would dial it for fun? I didnt. Why? Because I thought the devil would kill me that why.
Some of you have children im sure. Do you Really want them terrified of going to hell?
I know your going to tell me god is all loving and caring... But think of it....
If you go against his orders, what will he do? Say tomorrow, your son comes up to you and he says, dad, or mum, I think I might be gay... What do you do? Take him out the back and stone him to death? Tell him hes an abomination? No. You help him find his place in the world. And then when youve done that, according to your religion, you will both burn in hell.
What happens when your daughter starts having sex? You cant give her artificial contraception, god would punish you for that. What happens if she gets pregnant at 15, or 16? Her whole life is ruined, because your religion forbade you from helping your daughter.
Religion is fine for *believing* If you want a spiritual dimension to your lives. But dont let it control your lives. It doesnt work in real life.
Lets take another example... ok. Your walking home from work. You have your bible, your wearing a crucifix, youve gone to mass every day for your entire life. You have devoted your life to god. Some madman high on meth jumps out from a dark alley and points a gun at you. He give you time to "say your prayers" as the cliche goes.
What do you think will happen? You say a Hail mary, or an our father, and Jesus and his legions of angels come down from heaven and save you? lighting bolts shoot from the sky, killing your attacker, and leaving you miraculously unhurt? God appears in front of you, and drags the soul of the evil-doer down to the deepest pit of hell?
No. He fires. You die. REALITY people.
Jesus cant save you. God cant save you. Only YOU can save yourself.
Who do you think has a better chance in that situation? A guy whose devoted his life to god, or a realist, someone who works out, someone who knows martial arts, maybe has a permit for a gun, or is wearing a kevlar vest?
Hey I might be biased here, but when the chips are down, if im getting shot, ill take a bullet proof vest over a bible ANY day of the week.
I hear theyre taking Christianity out of the school now. This please me. Greatly.
Children are being brainwashed by this... poison...
I think it should be banned from schools, I dont think children should be allowed into churches, I dont think christianity should be practiced in the home. You wouldnt want children joining the klu klux clan when theyre five years old, so why force other beliefs on them? (The KKK being, of course, christian, serving their god by murdering innocent coloured people) I wouldnt want my child being turned into a mindles automaton, spouting bible verses at me evertime I turn a corner.
When they turn 18, if they decide they want to be Christian, fine. Let them. If they research other religions, if they know what the world has to offer, and if they choose christianity, great, good for them. But I will not stand idly by and let innocent children join a religion out of fear, and stay part of it out of apathy.
Christianity isnt the only offender here, I oppose all control systems, anything that tells you, especially children, how to believe. If your an adult, you can believe what you want, its no business of mine, but to force a child to follow YOUR beliefs, because YOU think they are the "only way to eternal life" is barbaric and sick, and should be a crime.
If I had a child, and I forced him to believe a potatoe was a god, and I wrote him a book full of rules, telling him how to follow the potatoes wishes, id be arrested for negligence. And RIGHTLY so. Childrens minds are not your playground. Nor are they a blank page, waiting for you to write on.
If I live long enough to see these changes, I will die a happy man indeed. And you wanna know something else? I wont go to hell.
I realise I will most likely be banned for this, and have my post deleted, but at least a few of you will get to read it. I guess most of you are too set in your ways to change, and certainly nothing I say will change your views. Ill leave, youll "pray for my soul" and hope that I "find the lord" and then youll live your lives in your self-imposed cages of dogma. And I pity you. Because you will never see the truth, you will never see the world, unless you open your eyes.
) and we no longer had to go - Yay!
n he knows when we r all fucked up right? one kick arse empath if u ask me! n he can hear our prays? gud 2 know he's also a telepath 
lol j/k... i get you... 